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EWSGROUPS: COMP.SYS.CBM
UBJECT: 65 
ATE: 27 EC 1993 02:39:05 +0200
RGANIZATION: NIVERSITY OF ELSINKI, INLAND.
INES: 310
ISTRIBUTION: WORLD
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ERE'S THE  FILE  PROMISED. HE 65 TECHNICAL DETAIL POSTING BY
RED OWEN WAS ARCHIVED ON MY / ACCOUNT, WHICH  DON'T USE MUCH
THESE DAYS. ORTUNATELY  REMEMBERED TO CHECK IT.
 
(ODE 16/76 MIN LEFT), ()ELP,()MORE,()O ORE? HIS FILE CAN BE RETRIEVED VIA
 ANONYMOUS  FROM FTP.FUNET.FI. HE
FILENAME FOR THE  ZIPPED VERSION IS /PUB/CBM/FAQ/C65-FAQ.1.0.GZ, THE
UNCOMPRESSED VERSION IS /PUB/CBM/FAQ/C65-FAQ.1.0.
 
 O, HERE IT GOES:
 
 OMMODORE 65 REQUENTLY SKED UESTIONS - ERSION 1.0
 
ROUND THE YEAR 1990 OR 1991, OMMODORE USINESS ACHINES WAS PLANNING
TO INTRODUCE A SUCCESSOR FOR THE FAMOUS OMMODORE 64, THE OMMODORE
65.  HE PROJECT WAS CANNED, MAINLY BECAUSE OF HUGE AMOUNTS OF
SOFTWARE THAT PUSHED THE 64'S VIDEO CHIP TO ITS LIMIT, AND DID NOT WORK
AT ALL WITH THE NEW 65'S VIDEO CONTROLLER,  4567. LSO, THE MACHINE
MIGHT HAVE BEEN TOO EXPENSIVE TO INTEREST THE BIG AUDIENCE.
 
N THIS FILE THERE ARE A FEW ARTICLES CAPTURED FROM THE NEWSGROUP
COMP.SYS.CBM AND FROM SOME OTHER SOURCES.  HOPE THAT THEY WILL
SATURATE YOUR NEED OF INFORMATION.
 
(ODE 16/76 MIN LEFT), ()ELP,()MORE,()O ORE? HIS FILE WAS PUT UP BY ARKO 
KEL <ARKO.AKELA@ELSINKI.>.
 DO NOT HAVE A 65, SO PLEASE DIRECT YOUR INQUIRIES TO THE COMP.SYS.CBM
NEWSGROUP.
 
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ROM: FRED@CBMVAX.CBM.COMMODORE.COM (RED OWEN)
EWSGROUPS: COMP.SYS.CBM
UBJECT: E: HAT'S A -65???
ESSAGE-: <6U2.2UZ@CBMVAX.CBM.COMMODORE.COM>
ATE: 17 EP 93 14:56:25 
EFERENCES: <AL170866.747909924@ACADEM01>
<1993EP14.212254.1717@MNEMOSYNE.CS.DU.EDU>
EPLY-O: FRED@CBMVAX.CBM.COMMODORE.COM (RED OWEN)
RGANIZATION: OMMODORE, EST HESTER, 
INES: 61
 
>O THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THE 65 WAS NEVER PUT INTO PRODUCTION.  
>VISITED THE PERSON LAST WEEK WHO ACTUALLY WROTE THE  OPERATING SYSTEM
>FOR IT, AND SAW A PROTOTYPE OF IT.  CCORDING TO HIM, R, OULD "PULLED
(ODE 16/76 MIN LEFT), ()ELP,()MORE,()O ORE? >THE PLUG" ON THE SYSTEM AMONT
H BEFORE ITS' COMPLETION DATE.	HE RITOISH
>MAGS HAD SOME COVERAGE OF IT IN PREVIEWS ABOUT A YEAR-YEAR AND A HALF AGO,
>BUT THAT WAS THE END OF IT.  OO BAD, CAUSE IT WAS A DECENT LITTLE
>CRITTER, WITH A BUILT-IN 3.5" DRIVE, AND A LOT MORE FEATURES AND MEMORY
>AND SUCH THAN THE 64.
 
PPARENTLY RAPEVINE PICKED UP SOME 65'S DURING OMMODORE'S LIQUIDATION
OF ITS WAREHOUSE/STORAGE AREAS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
 
HAT IS A 65?	 PRODUCT THAT ALMOST MADE IT OUT THE DOOR.  HAT YOU'RE
SEEING ARE "ALPHA" PILOT-PRODUCTION UNITS.  HERE WERE ONLY SOMETHING
LIKE 50 UNITS MADE, AND A DOZEN OR MORE OF THESE WERE DISTRIBUTED AROUND
ENGINEERING, SYSTEM DEVELOPERS, ETC.  BVIOUSLY, THEY WERE NEVER MEANT
TO BE SOLD TO THE PUBLIC, BUT...
 
  6502, RUNNING AT 3.54Z

  128, EXPANSION TO 8

  128, INCLUDING 65 MODE (V10.0), 64 (V2.2) MODE, & 

 IDEO 4567 "-"
   ANALOG  WITH COMPOSITE SYNC ON EACH PRIMARY,
   SEPARATE ACTIVE-HIGH DIGITAL SYNC,
   COMPOSITE CHROA/LUMA,
   DIGITAL FGND/BGND CONTROL (GENLOCK)
   ALL ORIGINAL 64 VIDEO MODES (40X25 TEXT, 320X200 BITMAP)
   NEW MODES (80X25 TEXT, WITH BLINK, BOLD, UNDERLINE ATTRIBUTES)
   TRUE BITPLANE GRAPHICS ( RESOLUTION):
     320, 640, 1280 HORZ. PIXELS IN 8, 4, OR 2 PLANES
     200, 400 VERT. PIXELS, NON-INTERLACED & INTERLACED
      "DISPLAY ADDRESS TRANSLATOR" TO ACCESS DISPLAY MEMORY
   STANDARD 16-COLOR 64 PALETTE
   PROGRAMMABLE 256-COLOR PALETTE WITH 16 INTENSITY LEVELS PER PRIMARY COLOR.

 UDIO TEREO  CHIPS

 EYBD 77 KEYS, INCLUDING SEPARATE CURSOR KEYS, , , ETC.

 ISK UILT-IN 3.5" DOUBLE-SIDED, 1  (1581 FORMAT)
  CUSTOM 4191 CONTROLLER WITH 512 BYTE BUFFER AND  PARALLEL BUS
  EXTERNAL MINI- FOR ONE 1011-TYPE EXPANSION DRIVE.
  ACCEPTS  SERIAL DRIVES (1541,1571,1581), FAST/SLOW/BURST
 
 / UILT-IN /BLITTER
  UILT-IN 6511-TYPE , SUPPORTS  DATA RATE.
  LL 64 PORTS: PARALLEL, EXPANSION, ETC.
  NEW  EXPANSION PORT, ACCESSIBLE BY  AND VIDEO CHIPS.
 
 GUESS THAT'S ENOUGH FOR NOW.	UT BE WARNED- THESE BOARDS ARE VERY OUT
OF DATE- THE S, 'S, ETC. ARE PRE-PRE-PRE, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY
 SPARE PARTS (SO IF IT BREAKS, THAT'S IT!), ALL SYSTEMS ARE  (BUT
THEY DISPLAY OKAY ON REGULAR 1084-TYPE MONITORS IN ANALOG MODE).
  H, AND THERE AREN'T ANY MANUALS.

  'M SURPRISED THAT RAPEVINE CAN SELL THEM AS "NEW" EQUIPMENT.
  UYER BEWARE, AND ALL THAT.
 
LL THINGS CONSIDERED, NOT A BAD MACHINE, THOUGH.   STILL USE MINE :-)
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    DOMAIN: FRED@CBMVAX.CBM.COMMODORE.COM
    TELE: 215 431-9100
 
 OMMODORE LECTRONICS, TD., 1200 ILSON RIVE,  EST HESTER,  ,  19380
 
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ESSAGE 60	  HU EC 23, 1993
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 HAVE MY C65! OT IT TODAY ABOUT 3 HOURS AGO.  LOOKED AT HOW THE POWER PLUG
HOOKS UP AND IT'S THE SAME AS THE 1581! NLY IT NEEDS 2.2 AMPS FOR +5 VOLTS
AND .5 AMPS FOR THE 12 VOLTS.  JUST PLUGED IN MY POWER SUPPLY FROM MY 1581
THAT WILL ALL SO POWER 3 OTHER DRIVES. T CAME UP THE 1ST TIME ON MY 1084
MONITOR. HE 9 PIN PLUG PLUGS RIGHT IN AND THE  SHAPED DIN PLUGS RIGHT IN.
NLY BLACK AND WIGHT IN 40 MODE BUT COLOR IN 80 MODE. LOOKS LIKE A 128 USING
40 OR 80 IN THE 80 MODE. HE POWER PUPPLY THAT COMES WITH IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY
PLUG ON THE END FOR THE POWER TO THE WALL. NPUT SAYS 240 0.17. OU CAN
HOLD DOWN THE = KEY TO BE IN 64 MODE. TEREO PLAYER WILL LOAD AND WORK BUT
DOES NOT SEE THE 2ND 8580 SID CHIP. HERE IS 2 OF THEM IN THE C65. Y GUESS IS
THE 2ND ONE IS ADDRESSED AT $D480.  WILL HAVE TO CHECK IT OUT. HE BILT IN
DRIVE IS A 81 SAYS 73,COPYRIGHT CBM CBDOS V1.0,00,00 HE ONE IN MY 65 DOES
NOT WORK TOO GOOD.  HAVE TO FIGGER OUT HOW TO MAKE IT A NOTHER DEVICE #. OU
CAN PLUG IN A = MODEM AND THE CARTRIDGE PORT WILL NOT FIT C64 OR 128
CARTRIDGES.  THINK IT WOULD WITH A ADAPTER. HE PINS ARE CLOSER TOGETHER JUST
A LITTLE. IN THE C65 MODE YOU CAN TO IN A MONITER IT'S LIKE THE 128. OU CAN
EVEN SAY GO64 AND IT ASK ARE YOU SURE? T GOES THERE RIGHT AWAY. HE VIDEO IS
VERY GOOD. T JUST HAS A BORDER ON THE TOP AND BUTTOM ABOUT 1 INCH. EACH AND
THE SIDES ARE A LITTLE SHOWING. O THAT THE SCREEN IS A LITTLE WIDER. ELL ANY
ONE CAN GET THIS! UST GET THE  POWER PUPPLY FROM . UT THIS COST  THINK
$50. T SHOULD PLUG RIGHT IN TO THE 65!  GOT MINE FROM A NOTHER  PLACE AND
HAD TO PUT A CASE ON IT BUT ONLY COST ME ABOUT $30. AS MORE AMPS THEN THE 
ONE TOO. ELL  WILL HAVE TO FIGGER THIS ONE HOW IT WORKS MORE BUT LOOKS LIKE
IT'S JUST A NOTHER 128 WITH A BILT IN 1581. HE INSIDE ON THE BOARD SAID FOR
SOME CHIP NAMES: , , , AND . T ALL SO HAS THIS:
////////////// AND MINE
SAYS 64   2 COMMODORE ELECTRONICS LTD COPYRIGHT (C) 191990 ALL RIGHTS
RESERVED. ELL  GUESS THAT'S ALL  CAN SAY ABOUT IT. T JUST TOOK THEM LONG
TO GET IT TO ME.  WILL HAVE TO CLEAN SOME OF THE DUST OFF THE KEYBOARD TOO.
 
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ROM: RALPHEY@KITTYHAWK.AERO.RMIT.. (USSELL LPHEY)
(ODE 16/76 MIN LEFT), ()ELP,()MORE,()O OE? EWSGROUPS: COMP.SYS.CBM
UBJECT:  HAVE A 65!!! :)))))))))))
ATE: 1 EC 1993 06:49:15 
RGANIZATION: OYAL ELBOURNE NSTITUTE OF ECHNOLOGY, ELBOURNE, USTRALIA.
INES: 90
ESSAGE-: <2DHEPB$1F0@AGGEDOR.RMIT..>
-OSTING-OST: KITTYHAWK.AERO.RMIT.OZ.AU
 
 
ITH TREMBLING HANDS  OPENED THE LARGE BOX FROM HE RAPEVINE ROUP.
Y WIFE GRABBED THE INVOICE AND SAID, "HAT'S A 65 WITH BUILT-IN DISK
DRIVE?".  HIS IS WHAT  HOPED TO FIND OUT!
 
"A-DA!"   BOX FULL OF FOAM BEADS.  IG, DIG, WHAT'S THIS?  OMETHING
SOLID...
 
ND IN THE BOX WAS -
 
1 ... PACKET,
 1 PIECE CARBON PAPER - CRUMPLED,
1 LATEX GLOVE - GREY,
1 PACKET CONTAINING A 75 HM CO-AX CABLE WITH IDENTICAL ENDS (THE SORT
THAT PLUG INTO A 64) AND A -COMPUTER SWITCH BOX,
1 BEIGE POWER SUPPLY, WITH THE FAMILIAR = ON TOP, A 4 PIN ROUND
CONNECTER AT ONE END AND A FLAT 2 PIN WALL PLUG WITH ROUND PINS.  HE
UNDERSIDE HAS " 65   ".  HE WORD 65 IS ON A STICKER.
 
H, THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING IN THE BOX :)))))))))))))))))))))
 
 COMPUTER.
 
ORMAL = BEIGE COLO(U)R.  EY LETTERING LIKE THAT ON A 128.
OMPUTER IS ABOUT 18" BY 8", AND LIKE A FLAT 128, BUT NO SEPARATE
KEYPAD (THERE'S A 3.5" DISK DRIVE THERE INSTEAD :).  HE DRIVE POINTS
FORWARD, WITH THE EJECT BUTTON ON THE LEADING EDGE OF THE KEYBOARD.
 
EY LAYOUT IS AS FOLLOWS.
 
<POWER							 <DRIVE
 LIGHT> 						  LIGHT>
 
UN		 APS O	1 3 5 7   9  11 13 ELP
TOP	 SC LT OCK CROLL	2 4 6 8   10 12 14
 
<-  1	2    3	 4    5      6	7  8  9  0  + -   #   LR NST
 
AB  Q	  W   E   R    T      Y  U  I  O  P  @	*  ^	ESTORE
 
TRL /OCK A S D  F	G      H  J  K	L  :  ;  =  RETURN
 
= HIFT Z    X  C  V	 B	N  M  <  >  /  HIFT ^
 
	    ...........SPACE...............	   < V >
 
OTE THAT # IS THE NGLISH POUND SYMBOL.
 
LSO, THERE'S A SPOT WHERE A METAL PLAQUE COULD GO, LIKE ON THE 64S.
 
KAY, NOW FOR A TOUR AROUND THE COMPUTER.
 
EFT SIDE HAS A RESET BUTTON, ONT PORT 1 AND 2 (JOYSTICK PORTS), THE
POWER SWITCH AND POWER INLET.
 
IGHT SIDE IS BLANK.
 
ACK HAS, (FROM LEFT AS YOU LOOK AT IT) A ROUND HOLE LABELLED DISK
DRIVE (BUT NOTHING THERE), A VIDEO PORT (LIKE 128'S), A SWITCH (OR
SCREW) LABELLED " ", AN  PORT, AN  VIDEO PORT, A TEREO PORT
WITH  &  PORTS, A SER PORT, A  SERIAL PORT, AND FINALLY AN
EXPANSION PORT.
 
NDERNEATH THERE'S A FLAP WHICH CONCEALS WHAT APPEARS TO BE A MINITURE
CENTRONICS PORT, AND THE MANUFACTURER'S LABEL.	T READS -
 
 = COMMODOREODEL 65
OWER 5V @ 2.2 12V @ 5
 . 000062 :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
  .
	 MADE IN HONG KONG
UNKENSTORT N.-TG 1046/84
 
O THERE YOU HAVE IT, A REAL? 65.  (HE :)))) ABOVE IS MY EDITORIAL
COMMENT!)
 
NFORTUNATELY  CAN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT ITS OPERATION YET,
BECAUSE  HAVEN'T FIRED IT UP YET (MAINLY DUE TO THE INCORRECT PLUG ON
THE POWER SUPPLY).  UT REST ASSURED 'LL REPORT AS SOON AS  DO! :)
 
ALPHEY.
 
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ROM: GPAGE@NYX.CS.DU.EDU (GEORGE PAGE)
EWSGROUPS: COMP.SYS.CBM
UBJECT: E: OES ANYONE KNOW??
ESSAGE-: <1993OV21.153758.29278@MNEMOSYNE.CS.DU.EDU>
ATE: 21 OV 93 15:37:58 
EFERENCES: <2CELDU$237@PDQ.COE.MONTANA.EDU> <931120.57786.@DELPH
ENDER: USENET@MNEMOSYNE.CS.DU.EDU (NETNEWS ADMIN ACCOUNT)
RGANIZATION: YX, UBLIC CCESS NIX AT . OF ENVER ATH/ DEPT.
INES: 17
-ISCLAIMER: YX IS A PUBLIC ACCESS NIX SYSTEM RUN BY THE NIVERSITY
  OF ENVER FOR THE ENVER COMMUNITY.  HE NIVERSITY HAS NEITHER
  CONTROL OVER NOR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE OPINIONS OF USERS.
 
 
 ELL, SINCE YOU POSTED SOME PRETTY INTERESTING HISTORICAL "TRIVIA", HERE'S
A THUMBNAIL DESCRIPTION OF THE 65 FROM A PROTOTYPE  SAW LAST EPTEMBER:
ASE MORE OR LESS THE COLOR OF A 64, DRIVE EMBEDDED OFF TO THE RIGHT
WHERE THE 128'S NUMERIC KEYPAD IS, SLOT SLIGHTLY RAISED, WIDE EJECT BUTTON
RECESSED IN THE VERY FRONT EDGE. OP ROW KEYS ARE (L TO R) UN/TOP, ,
,  , O CROLL, THEN 7 -KEYS AND A ELP. EXT ROW IS SAME AS A
64 TOP ROW (NUMBERS,ETC). HRID ROW IS THE SAME AS THE  ROW ON A
64/128, EXCEPT THAT A  IS FIRST TO THE LEFT.  HE NEXT ROW STARTS WITH
, AND THEN IS STANDARD. OTTOM ROW IS STANDARD, EXCEPT CURSOR KEYS ARE
SIMILAR TO A LUS/4'S. Y "STANDAR",  MEAN 64/128 LAYOUT.  ACK AND
SIDES, 'M NOT REALLY SURE-USES A MINI  FOR AN EXT DRIVE, SEEMS TO HAVE
A PAIR OF RED/WHITE  JACKS (FOR STEREO OUTPUT?), 9PIN VID OUTPUT(?),
LONG USER AND EXPANSION PORTS(?). NE OR TWO OTHER ROUND PORTS ON THE
BACK. OWER-IN SOCKET, SWITCH AND 2 JOYSTICK PORTS TOWARDS REAR OF LEFT
SIDE.(?)  (WORKING FROM NOT-TO-FINELY-DETAILED SNAPSHOTS).  ENERAL
STYLING LIKE A 128 OR 64.
 
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ROM: GPAGE@NYX10.CS.DU.EDU (GEORGE PAGE)
 UBJECT:  BIT MORE 65 FOLLOWUP.
ESSAGE-: <1993EC25.183014.1280@MNEMOSYNE.CS.DU.EDU>
-ISCLAIMER: YX IS A PUBLIC ACCESS NIX SYSTEM RUN BY THE NIVERSITY
  OF ENVER FOR THE ENVER COMMUNITY.  HE NIVERSITY HAS NEITHER
  CONTROL OVER NOR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE OPINIONS OF USERS.
ENDER: USENET@MNEMOSYNE.CS.DU.EDU (NETNEWS ADMIN ACCOUNT)
RGANIZATION: YX, UBLIC CCESS NIX AT . OF ENVER ATH/ DEPT.
ATE: AT, 25 EC 93 18:30:14 
INES: 24
 
 
E FINALLY GOT A 65 HERE IN THE ENVER AREA FROM RAPEVINE.   USER ON A
LOCAL BOARD POSTED THAT HIS HAD COME IN LAST WEEK.  E WAS A LITTLE UPSET
BECAUSE  HAD LEFT IT OUT BACK ALONG A WALL WHERE HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT
IT FOR SEVERAL DAYS-AND IT SNOWED DURING SOME OF THOSE DAYS! ATER CAME
POURING OUT OF THE BOX WHEN HE OPENED IT, BUT THE COMPUTER APPARENTLY
WASN'T AFFECTED.  IS INITIAL COMMENTS FOLLOW, ROUGHLY QUOTED, PARAPHRASED
MANGLED AND OTHERWISE DISTORTED! (G).

T HAS TWO MODES OF OPERATION, 64 & 65. SE THE GO64 OR HOLD = KEY DOWN
TO POWERUP IN 64 MODE. (UST LIKE A 128). ISPLAYS IN  AND OMPOSITE
SCREEN FOR BOTH MODES.	(ERY SHARP 64 SCREEN) - DON'T KNOW YET WHICH
MONITOR HE'S USING. OTH 40 & 80 COLUMN SCREENS-BOTH ALLOW SPRITES.
HE CARTRIDGE PORT ON THE REAR APPEARS TO HAVE SMALLER PINS THAN A 64-HE
DOESN'T THINK A REGULAR CART WILL WORK-BUT APPARENTLY HASN'T TRIED.
EGULAR SIZE USER PORT. LSO AN EXPANSION PORT ON THE BOTTOM "ALONG THE
LINES OF AN MIGA".

 MONITOR IN 65 MODE-"SHOWS THAT YOU CAN PROGRAM FROM 0000 TO . T
THIS TIME  DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH  IS BUILT IN. LLOWS USE OF ANK COMMAND.
E HAS BEEN ABLE TO RUN NUMEROUS 64 PROGRAMS ON IT. IS IS A  ONE, SO
SOME OF THE GRAPHICS ARE MESSED UP, MAINLY DEMOS.

'M STILL WAITING FOR MINE....
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